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Είμαι περίεργος, τι έχεις μάθει από την παρούσα κουβέντα;



Δεν ξέρω πώς να το πω πιο απλά .Η ένστασή μου ως προς το "άθεος επιστήμονας" δεν είναι οτι το θεωρώ προσβολή.

Η ένστασή μου είναι οτι σχεδόν όλοι οι επιστήμονες θεωρούν οτι ο Δημιουργισμός ΔΕΝ είναι σοβαρή επιστημονική θεωρία.
Μεγάλο ποσοστό αυτών των επιστημόνων είναι θρήσκοι.


Το λένε και οι παραπάνω, εξέλιξη και θρησκεία μπορούν να πάνε μαζί.

Δεν μπορείς να λες οτι οι άθεοι επιστήμονες επιμένουν στην θεωρία της εξέλιξης γιατί υπονοείς
- ή οτι οι επιστήμονες είναι άθεοι
- ή οτι μόνο οι άθεοι επιστήμονες επιμένουν στην εξέλιξη ενώ οι άλλοι όχι



Αυτό δεν είναι επιχείρημα, μόνο εντυπώσεις δημιουργείς...

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Αυτό που είπες προηγουμένως είναι πολύ εγωιστικό. Θα μπορούσα να σου πω και εγώ ότι δεν έχει νόημα η κουβέντα αν δεν πείθεσαι ή πειστείς πως ο Δημιουργισμός είναι η αλήθεια.

Σχετικά με αυτό που σε ρώτησα δεν έχω μάθει κάτι ακόμα, γιατί δεν απέδειξες την δήλωση ότι όλοι οι εξελικτές συμφωνούν μεταξύ τους για τα απολιθώματα.

Επίσης δεν έχε
ις αποδείξει ότι ΟΛΟΙ ΣΧΕΔΟΝ οι επιστήμονες θεωρούν πως ο Δημιουργισμός δεν είναι σοβαρός. Πρέπει να προσπαθήσεις να δώσεις μια απόδειξη.

Βέβαια το τελευταίο δεν πολυενδιαφέρει εμένα, αλλά τον πολύ κόσμο που βλέπει τους επιστήμονες όπως ακριβώς βλέπει τους ιερείς.

Εδώ βρήκα μια λίστα με επιστήμονες που σύμφωνα με τον αρθρογράφο δέχονται τον Δημιουργισμό της Βιβλικής Γένεσης. Θα ήταν βέβαια χρονοβόρο να εξακριβώσω αν όλοι είναι δημιουργιστές. Εγώ πάντως δεν το θεωρώ αυτό ως απόδειξη υπέρ του Δημιουργισμού, όπως ανάλογα το θεωρείς εσύ υπέρ της Εξέλιξης.

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